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  • Why won’t Lister run the welder?

    [~A tale of weird waveforms~]

    My main motivation for borrowing Lister was to run the welder at Container Labs. My GYS Protig 201 AC/DC claims to be “generator friendly and protected” but also “minimum generator size 7.5kVA”.

    Lister is rated for 3kW at power factor 1.0, but looks massively overbuilt, so I thought it would be worth a try.

    My first attempt at welding was pretty anticlimactic, on striking an arc the welder instantly shut down with error code “US1”. According to the GYS manual this means input voltage over 265V RMS. On further reading the unit claims to withstand up to 400V RMS/700V peak without damage but will apparently shut down above 265.

    Since the welder has a PFC front end, I tried substituting the Odin PFC to see if this would manifest the same issue. It is rated to run at 415V RMS and has 1200V semiconductors so I had no worries about blowing it up with overvoltage. I used the Tesla Model 3 cabin heater as a dummy load for the PFC output.

    This was somewhat inconclusive as the Odin PFC happily ate all of the generator output, showing no signs of serious instability under load, and making an impressive blast of hot air from the cabin heater.

    The unloaded peak voltage did look somewhat high, due to the PFC’s EMI filter capacitors resonating with the generator winding inductance at the tooth ripple frequency.

    Unloaded

    These scope shots only show one-half of the generator output voltage, as I didn’t have an isolated scope probe handy, and the generator output is centre tapped to earth. So the total peak voltage is 472V unloaded and 368V under full load. These would equate to 335V and 261V RMS with an ideal sine wave. Since the actual RMS is 256V unloaded and 232V loaded, we certainly have some evidence of waveform distortion under both conditions.

    Fully loaded

    So on the face of it I could see how this could trip the welder’s overvoltage protection. I also heard from a friend who had experience of using similar generators to power his ham radio field day stations, and he said the waveforms tended to be “thin” with too high peak voltage for their RMS.

    I pondered various ways of attacking the problem, a filter to remove the tooth ripple? This would need some seriously expensive and bulky inductors, so I didn’t bother. My first experiment was to step the output voltage down using an autotransformer (as I had one handy) and clip the peaks off using a rectifier, capacitor and resistive load.

    This contraption (which I’ll call the Happy Welder 3000) worked surprisingly well, using the 190V tap, the peak and RMS voltages were both brought somewhat under control, and I was able to crank the welder to about 150A output at which point the engine began to bog down and belch black smoke, but would recover by letting off the TIG foot pedal.

    Voltage and current drawn by the peak clipper

    The Happy Welder 3000 seemed like a bodge so I went looking for a more elegant solution. I discovered that just switching the generator to 115V would give a decent result with no extra hardware needed. Voltage drop in the 25m x 2.5 sq mm extension cord (used to get generator noise and diesel fumes away from me) now limited me to a somewhat lower welding current before I got error “US2”, undervoltage this time. I was able to do a small job on mild steel this way.

    I spent way too long thinking about this problem and ended up building an AVR which to my surprise, made the problem even worse! The welder was quite happy with 200V from the autotransformer, but with generator output reduced to 200V by the AVR, it wouldn’t run for more than a fraction of a second before tripping on error US1.

    I don’t know how it took me so long, but I eventually stumbled on the idea of filming the scope screen while welding and examining the footage frame by frame.

    I believe this frame captures the instant that the welder shuts down on error US1. Top trace is generator output voltage, bottom is current drawn by the AVR’s peak clipping channel. DVM shows the voltage across the AVR’s filter capacitor, which should be one-half of the peak output voltage.

    The waveform is completely different to any I saw previously, and leaves only one possible explanation, the impedance (resistance and inductance) of the generator windings is too high for the welder’s PFC front end, it goes unstable and wrenches the waveform out of shape.

    The instability pushes the peak voltage way higher than anything I measured while not welding, and does this so quickly that the meters I’d been using didn’t have time to register it. The AVR’s peak clipper tries to keep the peak voltage under control but fails.

    This explains why stepping the voltage down to 200, and switching the generator to 115V, both worked and enabled me to weld, but using the AVR to reduce the voltage to 200 didn’t.

    Switching to 115V gives an impedance one-quarter of the 230V setting. A transformer that steps the voltage down from 240 to 200 reduces the impedance to 76%.

    On the other hand, the AVR only compensates for relatively slow fluctuations in voltage by adjusting the field current. It has no effect on the resistance and inductance of the windings, so can’t do anything about the waveform distortion.

    I think I earned my professional development points on this one.

  • The Blind Photographer

    The Blind Photographer

    Guide, please explain the scene.
    It is tangled colours, jumbled like a dream.
    A petrol-slick of possibilities
    Not unlike the sun through screwed-up eyes.

    Graffiti leaps out from the walls
    There’s light and shadow, shape and form
    The architecture’s come alive
    Touch the concrete here, it’s warm

    It’s evening now, the golden hour
    Oh quick, you’ve got to shoot!
    You’ve hardly any eyesight left.
    The composition’s up to you.

  • Navigating

    Navigating

    Soon you’ll be falling by starlight,
    My ill-starred friend,
    Who was with me till the day the signal went.

    Too soon, our moon goes blind
    Our tent becomes impossible to find.

    Too soon, our sun goes down
    Eastward draining valleys fill with cloud
    The compass spins, the GPS is out

    Wind snatched away the map

    The darkness bearing down on you
    Until your ribs are snapped.

  • Schematic and replacing the rectifiers

    After a period of working OK Lister’s output voltage began to sag horribly under load. The selenium rectifiers are known to be unreliable so I decided to replace them.

    The below schematic shows how the Brush 3kVA alternator is wired (Brush connection diagram 9840322)

    OOps, the series and shunt field labels are swapped.

    The generator has both shunt and series fields. A silicon bridge rectifier provides excitation for the shunt field while the series fields are energised by a portion of the load current, through the selenium rectifiers. The armature and series fields are in two identical sections that can be switched in parallel for 115V or in series for 230.

    Note that in 230V mode the output is centre tapped to earth. Both live and neutral pins of the outlet have 120V on them. This seems to be a design decision by Brush to reduce the risk of electric shock, however it means that live and neutral both need to be fused.

    I took the opportunity to do some 4 wire resistance measurements while the wiring was disconnected. One section had a series field resistance of 0.20 ohms and a diverter resistance of 1.00 ohms. The other had a field DCR of 0.21 and the diverter resistor was set to 0.87. This resistor was burnt from a previous short circuit so I cleaned it and reset to 0.96 ohms using the unburnt end.

    I prepared two KBPC3506 silicon bridge rectifiers on a heatsink. These are an inexpensive 35A 600V part available from many distributors.

    The new rectifiers are much smaller so I was able to get rid of a lot of wiring, and that sketchy looking woven tube that was probably asbestos.

    Of course I saved the original rectifiers, lol no, they went straight in the toxic waste.

  • Gaussfest 2023

    This year’s Gaussfest was mostly remarkable for forgetting the drum machine. :<

    Octavia is so full of stuff… but no drum machine 🙁
    Papplewick Pumping Station never fails to impress
    Adam Horden helps wire up the 3 phase power supply while I pester him with questions about public liability insurance.
    Jeb from Lords of Lightning ready to be zapped by Odin.
    Part of my drum-machine-less set
  • A coat of paint for the “Power Tank”

    Fittingly the paint colour is Valspar “Thunderbolt” left over from painting the front door at home. Still waiting on some more industrial looking socket outlets to replace the chrome ones.

    I’ve been warned that after going to Powerpole connectors for 12V DC distribution, I’ll never want to touch a cigarette lighter plug again. That sounds about right.

  • Dogging

    Each year the leaves fall a little more,
    The thickened tree-arms spark
    With frost in the park,
    where other middle-aged men
    Kiss dogs that don’t belong to them.

    These men consume their friends like food.
    But underneath pond-scum and weeds
    A man retains his hair, his needs.
    Why won’t you stay for good?

  • Highway to Halfway

    I am planning 3 weekend expeditions with the goal of ending up on Beinn Mheadhoin in the Cairngorms for my 141st Munro. The name means “Middle hill” and 141 is halfway round…

    Expedition 1: Wild camping in the Alders *DONE* Munros 126-131
    This expedition ended up done the other way around: setting off from Luiblea Saturday lunchtime, bag Geal Charn and Creag Pitridh, go via Bealach Leamhain and An Lairig to bivvy spot at Diollaid A’Chairn on Aonach Beag ridge, then following day bag ridge and return to Luiblea via track at Luibvan. Nav by map and compass in low cloud throughout

    Day 1: Geal Charn, Creag Pitridh.
    Day 2: The Aonach Beag ridge: Carn Dearg, Geal-Charn, Aonach Beag, Beinn Eibhinn

    Expedition 2: Up the Fannaichs
    *DONE* Munros 132-140 Thanks Allan
    Do 4 one day and 5 the other bringing the Munro count to 140- with support from a friend who did the same thing in February

    Expedition 3: The Gorms
    *DONE* Munros 141 and 142
    Bag Beinn Mheadhoin from Glenmore Lodge via Loch Avon, taking in Bynack More on way home.

  • Casual Socks

    I wandered lonely as a sock
    Discarded on the floor
    To consummate our passion
    Till I couldn’t handle more

    Although you made my skin crawl
    I wish you all the best
    I’d love to pop it in the post
    But don’t have your address

  • Inaccessible Pinnacle

    While I was distracted
    The grey hairs appeared
    First in the temples
    And then in the beard

    Meanwhile on the Cuillin ridge
    In flats with empty beds inside
    A slim fin of rock waited and waited to be sat astride

    The so-called “peak of the young men”
    Who got stuck at the planning stage
    Hoping they would somehow gain attractiveness with age

    Still with none of the instruments studied
    Something wells up and up
    The window was open
    You wanted to jump

    Several times, but something else always came up